Darkrange216
So I will receive my replacement kit in a few days after buying the wrong kit for the 83850c v1 not 2, but anyhow this will be my first time doing this, I've read the guides on how to cut, dump the key, rejoin the cuts, and flashing the drive, and I've already tested that my on board sata is compatible with the drive and everything is running. But the guides doesn't give specific details on how hard I should cut the cuts and what does it mean by preventing short circuits when applying the glue. Can I use a Swiss army knife to make the cuts, and when I'm applying the glue am is suppose to connect the areas I cut but make sure i don't allow glue to run over from the light green areas to the dark green areas or what? Im a noob at PCBs.
Darkrange216
I see how the trace cuts changed from triangular to flat... but I've made some cuts already is not very deep but now my xbox rejects my drive (1 red ring) and dosflash can't detect it unless i cycle the drives and when i press the eject button it only comes out alittle.... here are my cuts:
Could these cuts have made all my problems with dosflash and xbox? Should I make the cuts deeper?
Tutoromix
Try to complete Step 8-15. You have to flash your drive first, and to do that you have to complete these steps, and then rejoin the traces. Have you got the key yet? If not then follow these steps below. After getting the key/dump, then you need to rejoin the traces afterward.
8. During BIOS/CMOS/POST, it
shouldn't detect your drive. Turn off computer. (Cut the Point B red-Power/Positive trace deeper if it
does)
9. Try attaching the red pogo pin cable into the Point B circular hole. Keep holding it down tight and don't allow your hands to slip.
http://www.tiaowiki.com/wiki/images/2/2c/Touch-points.jpg
10. While you are still holding down the red pogo pin onto Point B - boot up the computer. The drive is finally detected in CMOS/BIOS/POST as
Lite-On DG-16D2S, and should be able to eject using the CK3. If it doesn't eject, then make sure it can at least be detected when you use both pogo pins, or the red one only.
11. Highlight DosFlash32/64.exe
12. Keep holding down BOTH the red/black pogo pins onto the positive and negative/ground points as shown in the Tiaowiki tutorial.
http://www.tiaowiki.com/wiki/images/2/2c/Touch-points.jpg
13. Now launch DosFlash and you should get Status 0x72
14. Before reading the key, let go off the black pogo cable touching the negative/ground point (but still keep the red cable connected). You should have a DataSum with a 4 digit value consisting of numbers or numbers/letters. Dump the key again to check if the DataSum will be the same (it should never be 0000). If the freezing is giving you a hard time, then backup your 256KB .bin key onto a USB device, etc.
15. Be sure that you are using the jumpers to touch the correct points on the PCB (Positive = PWR, Negative/Ground = Status 0x72) with your hands, and that you are holding down onto it properly before highlighting and launching DosFlash as stated in the tutorial. Ask someone to hold it down if it is not comfortable. This step must be done properly for Status 0x72 to show up. If it is not showing up, then you need to cut the traces deeper (but now ONLY for the black-Ground/Negative Point A trace). If you experience PC freezing, then it should stop freezing eventually.
http://www.tiaowiki.com/forums/xbox-360-hardware-talk/this-may-help-with-ck3-freezing-issues/
Darkrange216
When I enter BIOS it detects my drive if I do a open/close tray action with the CK3 however it cannot detect it if I just turn on the CK3 and enter BIOS, What does this mean? Do I need to cut deeper or im I ready to read the firmware?
Tutoromix
If drive gets detected in BIOS without touching the red pogo cable on Point B, then Point A/B is not cut.
If drive gets detected in BIOS while touching the red pogo cable on Point B, then Point A/B is cut.
If drive doesn't get detected, then Point A/B is cut. We want A/B to be cut.
Once you confirm this, then you can move onto Step 11-15. Be sure the CK3 power and DVD SATA cables are plugged in.
Darkrange216
So I need to cut it more so that the only way i can get the drive detected is by having the red pogo on point B, cos right now I can get it detected by cycling the drive first.
Tutoromix
When you turned on the drive for the first time without cutting and connecting anything apart from the computer/CK3, it should have easily detected the drive during BIOS/CMOS/POST. I am pretty sure after cutting the traces, and then turning on the computer/CK3 in the same manner lead to you finding out that the drive didn't get detected anymore? If that's the case, the traces are cut.
Power cycling is normally used when you are about to send the drive into vendor mode during flashing. When you cut the traces, you are disconnecting the power from the drive, so that only the CK3 + pogo pin cables/resistor can have full control of the PCB firmware chipset/pads. What causes the drive info to show up in the BIOS is the Point A/B pads.
Proceed to the DosFlash steps, anyway.
Darkrange216
No the drive can't be detected if I only turn on the CK3, However it can be detected without the pogo pins if I eject and close the drive first.... and that goes the same with dosflash and my xbox is rejecting my drive in the current condition (1 red ring) so does this mean my cuts are somewhat cut but needs to be deeper?
Tutoromix
If you connect the DVD power cable and SATA cable into the Xbox and it no longer works as normal or refuses it, then plug back in the power/SATA cable into the CK3 instead and proceed to dump to the drive.
In the picture you posted, I see a brownish mark in your cuts. All you have to do for Point A/B is to cut it a little deeper until it turns silver. Do not cut differently, cut in the SAME manner, but only deeper. Some of the light-green trace still needs to remain, only cut where you initially cut. What this means is that the next screenshot you post should look the same, only this time the brownish color is gone and turned into silver instead.
For Point A, the light-green area is where you need to cut deeper. For Point B, cut the light-green area deeper. Don't cut the dark-green borders. The color of your cuts should look silver/platinum.
I am sure the cuts you have made might be enough to dump the drive successfully. If doesn't work, then I think it is because one trace is cut properly (Point A/B), but the other isn't (Point B/A). Or both traces are not cut fully.
If you can get DosFlash to dump the drive with your current cuts, it would make rejoining a lot easier. But I have a feeling it might not happen.
Darkrange216
Yeah I tired to dump the drive with the current condition with those 2 pogo pins attached to the correct pads, I was able to detect the drive without cycling in and out, however i cannot get the status 0x72 i can get 0x51 what does that mean?
Tutoromix
http://www.tiaowiki.com/forums/xbox-360-hardware-talk/solderless-94350-not-ejecting/msg636/#msg636
Try to test for continuity using the above link method. Also, swap out your 22 ohm resistor and use a
20 ohm.
11. Highlight DosFlash32/64.exe
12. Keep holding down BOTH the red/black pogo pins onto the positive and negative/ground points as shown in the Tiaowiki tutorial.
http://www.tiaowiki.com/wiki/images/2/2c/Touch-points.jpg
13. Now launch DosFlash and you should get Status 0x72
14. Before reading the key, let go off the black pogo cable touching the negative/ground point (but still keep the red cable connected). You should have a DataSum with a 4 digit value consisting of numbers or numbers/letters. Dump the key again to check if the DataSum will be the same (it should never be 0000). If the freezing is giving you a hard time, then backup your 256KB .bin key onto a USB device, etc.
15. Be sure that you are using the jumpers to touch the correct points on the PCB (Positive = PWR, Negative/Ground = Status 0x72) with your hands, and that you are holding down onto it properly before highlighting and launching DosFlash as stated in the tutorial. Ask someone to hold it down if it is not comfortable. This step must be done properly for Status 0x72 to show up. If it is not showing up, then you need to cut the traces deeper (but now ONLY for the black-Ground/Negative Point A trace). If you experience PC freezing, then it should stop freezing eventually.
http://www.tiaowiki.com/forums/xbox-360-hardware-talk/this-may-help-with-ck3-freezing-issues/
Darkrange216
Okay I made my cuts deeper, did what you told me I dumped my key, I dumped it 3 times to verify they all came up the same, so this means my key is good and im ready to repair my cuts?
here are my repairs:
I waited for about an hr now... Is the glue suppose to be dry by now cos when i plug it into my CK3 I can't even eject the drive... so my BIO can't detect it.
Tutoromix
The glue should be dry completely, when you scrub it with your hand it should feel like a hard surface. Don't turn on the drive or else it will spark.
It's not detecting in the BIOS yet because it is still liquid. But you can use a multimeter to test from the pad to the left and to the pad to the right between where you rejoined, on the same trace.
For each light-green trace, use the red probe of your multimeter and press it against the pad, and then use the black probe on the other pads. Switch your multimeter to the horn symbol. The multimeter should beep or show up a value (but it is most likely going to beep first). Also for the pads marks with X, the multimeter should NOT beep at all (it can show a value, but just not beep). So for the red line in this picture, the multimeter shouldn't beep for the pads marked with X. It should only beep for the pads marked with a black line on the same light-green trace.
Also, make sure you are pressing against both pads hard using the multimeter probe with your hands. You might have to use a little force so that it can make contact.
If everything is true for the above, then the liquid is dry enough and can conduct right through. I'd wait a little while just to make sure. Turn on the CK3 and the computer with everything plugged in (SATA cables, etc.) and it should show up in the BIOS as LiteOn DG-162DS outside of the Windows environment. You don't have to use pogo pins anymore. I don't recommend confirming this with your Xbox.
Darkrange216
Okay Thank you for the picture, I used it checked everything seems like glue wasn't yet completely dry was still rubber like, So i used a blow drier, 3 minutes later plugged it in to CK3 with jungle flasher it was detected!, So I just did lite-on erase, got my infos in 1 power cycle, pressed write, and outro now I've flashed my drive with lt v1.1 Thanks
Just plugged back into my xbox everything seem to went fine my back up disk for my mw2 is now readable
